So this is what we've got now:

1. Historically the stock market has always performed better under Democratic administrations than under GOP administrations, and it has continued to do so under President Obama.

2. Historically corporate profits have always performed better under Democratic administrations than they have under GOP administrations, and have continued to do so under President Obama.

3. Historically personal incomes have increased under Democratic Administrations better than they have under Republican administrations, and have continued to exactly that under President Obama.

4. Historically the economy has grown more and faster under Democratic administrations compared to GOP administrations, and it has continued to do so under President Obama.

5. The GDP, and per capita GDP, have historically grown more and faster under Democratic administrations as compared to Republican administrations, and are continuing to do so right now under President Obama.

If you vote for the GOP based on "the economy" you are doing yourself, and the country, a grave disservice.

Plus, you're an idiot.

Fish on...

Todd

I do vote for Democrats on the economy, and I have all the facts to back me up on it...why it's better for all of us, and our country.

Why do you vote for the GOP?

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. "Nerve" is what it takes to vote for the GOP on the economy, when it is so easy to verify that they are terrible for the economy and having them run it hurts people, businesses, and the country. That takes nerve. It takes brains to vote for those who help people, businesses, and the country.

I don't expect you to listen, Hank...as a matter of fact, I expect you to ignore reality and continue to vote for the GOP on "the economy"...the same as I expect from the other right wing partisan hacks here, in spite of all evidence and facts proving that they are hurting themselves, businesses, and the country.

Fish on...

Todd

Soaring health costs are killing the middle class...Republicans are against reforming health care, even when the Democratic reforms being implemented now were created by the Heritage Foundation and were the Republican response to single payer.

Income inequality is killing the middle class, and is the direct result of tax cuts for the rich and trickle down economics, the bulkwards of the Republican economic policies that cause Republicans to be worse on the stock market, personal incomes, corporate profits, the economy, and your favorite, Hank, the GDP.

Bankruptcy reform might help to alleviate some of the dangers to the middle class caused by Republican policies, but the GOP's idea of bankruptcy reform is to say "Fukk You" to the middle class. Same with their love for insurance companies, credit card companies, banks, and corporate "farmers" who all get priority treatment, massive tax breaks, and who handfeed the GOP legislation thru their PAC's for the GOP hacks in the House to pass off as actual legislation.

You are a real piece of work if you believe that Republicans would do anything other than what they've done every time they've been in charge...make it worse for the middle class. Every time. Every single time.

Fish on...

Todd

And clearly playing to the "it's all Obama's fault!" emotions of your typical right wing reality-denier works for them...but not for thinking people.

Congratulations again on ignoring reality and justifying your hackship.

Fish on...

Todd

What's hurting the middle class is that it is disappearing, it's disappearing due to massive tax breaks for the rich that take money out of all of our pockets...including yours and virtually every other GOP voter, too...and gives ito the massively rich in the form of tax breaks.

Again, trickle down econmics...which causes the stock market, personal incomes, coporate incomes, the economy, and the GDP, to suffer...while pushing more and more people out of the middle class.

These are the policies you vote for, Hank, so if you really gave twoshits about the middle class then there's yet another reason to start embracing reality rather than what the GOP tells you is good for you.

As long as you believe that those in the top 1% have all the money because they are smarter or work harder, or that all the rest of us (including you) aren't "them" because you are too fuckin lazy and shiftless, then at least you get what you deserve...you voted for the assholes that say that.

The rest of us don't deserve it but screwed because 45% of Americans can't read simple charts or do five minutes of research to see just how badly they are being screwed by the people who they vote for.

If only there were less gay people, more guns, and all the brown people stayed in Mexico we wouldn't have these problems...it's their fault, theirs and the liberals! We're on your side...you know, the "real" Americans!

Yeah, right...only a fuckin idiot believes that.


Fish on...

Todd

jesus, relax and screw your girl and call it a night. you seem especially wound up.

Warning: sick, twisted, and generally poor metaphor to follow....

I think I've finally figured out why they use a donkey to symbolize the Democrats and an elephant to symbolize the Republicans. Seems they're both bending us over and having their way with us. Might as well vote Democrat, cuz a donkey dong does slightly less damage to one's rectum than an elephant's....

Actually, it seems pretty clear to me it's the elite and their puppet government against the rest of us, and as long as we keep believing it makes a difference which party owns the White House, the gap will continue to widen (along with our bungholes).

Perhaps the Americans are starting to pay attention and do their homework. Did you see the polls at the head of this thread?

Don't worry Hank, things will get a lot better under Clinton Part Dux.

Yuuup, with another liberal in the White-house Hank and I will be so stinking rich that we may be tempted to hire a staff of writers to post for us. If we do you may witness an improvement in the quality of our posts.

I should never have tied my cart to your wagon, please accept my apology for having done so.

Oh master of stylish prose interspersed with fact and mirth, and as you are truly a reminder to those in need of being reminded with great emphasis. -----------------------------------------------------------

Liberal dumfuks, yes someone is paying attention.

Is that the 45% that doesn't pay any federal income tax?

Todd seems to think 1 party has our best interest in mind. They don't. Both parties are only about votes and control and 1 of the parties is doing it slightly better than the other at the present time.

Listen to this guy play the "poor me" and "I'm one of the down-trodden" cards.........
J F C Toddler! As Shortstuff would say, "Tissue?"

You're a piece of work.

Did I hear something? Oh, closet door squeak ........ ho hum



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If you think I'm the solution to your problem, you're lookin' in the wrong direction..........but you knew that.

edit: Note note below.......if that helps.

Todd will tell you what Todd thinks, because just like Hank you have no idea what Todd thinks, and Todd doesn't need you to speak for him.

Fish on...

Todd

Here's one thing that Todd doesn't just think, Todd knows:

If you vote GOP based on "the economy" than you might be the dumbest of the dumb dumfucks, because they are worse at every single aspect of the economy, every time, and always have been, and every single actual fact backs it up, not just right wing blowhard TV and their sycophants making up "facts" and pronouncements telling you how the GOP is so fiscally responsible.

Fish on...

Todd

Todd, I know that you are intelligent enough to reason beyond the chest beating and spin that you so often display here. So I have a few things for you to ponder.

1. In the period from 1945 through 2013, that's 69 years. The Democrats had control of all three branches of federal government for 22 of those years. While the Republicans had control of all three branches for 4 years.

2. In that same time span the Democrats had control of the majority of the branches for 47 years and the Republicans had control of the majority of the branches for 22 years.

So if you look at the chart that I have linked to here, http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm You will see that much of your case for one party or the other causing either a good economy or a poor economy falls flat.

This will add even more perspective,
http://people.duke.edu/~charvey/country_risk/chronology/us-events.htm]

It seems to me to place either the blame on, or to give credit to one party or another based on simple chronology is simplistic at best. It would be more logical, to me to judge the party's on their merits, i.e. policies implemented, and the values espoused.

I also think that having a certain degree of change of the party that control of our governance is beneficial to our economy, and I am not the only one who thinks so.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w15400.pdf?new_window=1

I wouldn't expect you to read the entire piece but they lay out the premise on page 2 and start the conclusion on page 35.

You will see that they find a positive effect from occasional changes in the party in power to keep the economy operating efficiently. So perhaps you should be be thankful for the Republican party not just for its help in keeping the economy up and running, but for supplying you with a target.